Why Entrepreneurs Burn Out (And How to Stop It) Explained by a Therapist
Most entrepreneurs don't burn out because they work too hard. They burn out because they stay in survival mode for too long. And after working with thousands of business owners through FunKite, I've realized something. A lot of business problems become emotional before they become financial. Welcome to Unbankable.
Speaker 1:I'm Alex Shvarts, and today I'm joined by Maya Flay, founder of Maya Wellness Institute and a therapist who works closely with entrepreneurs, executives, and high performers dealing with anxiety, burnout, emotional pressure, and nervous system regulation. Maya, welcome.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:This will be interesting.
Speaker 2:Yes, it will.
Speaker 1:Now we know each other a long time, right, and I think that I've watched you work. I think every time I have a conversation with you, you're you're working me. Mhmm. Okay? But you're not my therapist.
Speaker 1:I but I I know that you're gonna have some amazing suggestions for the people who listen to this podcast, and they're, you know, small and medium sized business owners, entrepreneurs that have a lot of challenges. They go through a lot in life, and I think that there's an emotional aspect of how we function and how we need to function to be able to go forward. And I think you're gonna have some, you know, really, some good good stuff to, to help with. So what's wrong with entrepreneurs?
Speaker 2:I think entrepreneurs are mostly driven by fear rather than the pursuit of excellence. So if you're driven by fear, you're constantly running, and you're in survival mode rather than being inspired and having fun with it, you're always feeling like there's not enough, that you need to do more. And that for the nervous system creates a survival response, so you're always in a state of anxiety.
Speaker 1:So why do so many successful people constantly live in stress, anxiety, pressure, and survival mode even when the business is doing well?
Speaker 2:Well, I think initially that's actually what creates success because most people that are successful probably had some form of trauma. In fact, like, there's research done, and it basically if you have just the right amount of trauma, it actually makes you super resilient and very strong. So a lot of the people that you're seeing that are successful initially did have childhood trauma. Right? So it perpetuated them to, you know, break through and and build amazing businesses and careers because they're super strong and they're not giving up because they've been through it.
Speaker 2:But then they kind of, like, don't know when to stop. Like, when is it time to, like, stop and heal and become present and, again, be driven more about creativity and excellence rather than, like, the fear of losing or the fear of, like, not being enough. So there's that line of, like, figuring out when is enough enough, and when when do I actually rest and and start to heal that trauma.
Speaker 1:Now you're very successful. I think you run an amazing practice. I know a lot of entrepreneurs that you work with, they don't, you know, we never tell you what we say about you, but I know a lot of people. From your own experience, are you at a point where you say, okay, it's enough now with, you know, just your own words?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think I've I've gotten to that place in my business too where I had opportunities to take on more clients, expand. But, no, I was able to to, like, take it back, like, pull it in because I knew that I was burning out and that I had to make sure that I was delivering, like, excellent results rather than expanding and expanding, which I think a lot of entrepreneurs and people in business do. You know? Once they feel that success, they want more and more.
Speaker 2:So for me, I was I was able to pull that back and just know, like, I'm gonna do great work, but I'm not gonna compromise my personal life and just my mental health.
Speaker 1:How'd you get the courage to start your own practice?
Speaker 2:It was never a question. I never wanted to work for anyone. I have a huge problem with authority. I never did good in school. I don't like being told what to do.
Speaker 2:So for me, it was, like, gruesome to even just get through those years of, like, getting my license and working in clinics. And the minute I have my license, I open my practice right away, which is actually unusual. Most people, you know, they work in clinics. It takes them a while to, like, pull the plug and open a practice. But for me, was, like, the minute I got the license, I opened a practice with zero clients, astronomical rent, and, like, that month, I was already full.
Speaker 1:How'd you get the business funding? Where'd you get the funding to start it up? Was it family money? Was
Speaker 2:it therapy, you don't really need funding. It's a it's a pretty awesome business.
Speaker 1:But you still needed some money to open an office, get furniture,
Speaker 2:I and get the phone opened that office, and by the end of that month, I was able to cover my rent. Was it was not even like it wasn't even like that. I was able to cover it.
Speaker 1:So, you know, you sell a service. Yeah. Right? You're offering a service. How was it getting your first patient to actually write a check?
Speaker 1:Right? Let's think about this. So if I have a restaurant, I make a donut, people are gonna buy a donut. They know what they're buying. Here, we're selling something virtual.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Right? You don't have experience. You don't have a lot you don't have any clients. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So how was it, like, that first experience Yeah. Of getting that do you remember? Yeah. I first client to say, okay. I'm gonna sign up with you.
Speaker 2:I I remember that first client. I was just referred by someone that, like, I went to a daycare with my kids, and the owner was like, hey, are you you know, I heard you're a therapist. Can you come see my child? And she was like, can you come to my house? Which I would never do that now.
Speaker 2:But I was like, oh my god, a client. And I was like, absolutely. And that day care owner ended up helping me get multiple referrals because I helped her child, and then she started, like, telling people in our in our area, in our community, and that's what helped me grow in the beginning. I was seeing kids at that time, which I don't as much anymore.
Speaker 1:As a therapist, you know how to express yourself. What advice do you have for business owners when it comes to asking for money when they need to run their business. Because asking for money is Yeah. Is tough. Right?
Speaker 1:It's Yeah. It's one of the hardest things to ask. Right? Probably just as hard as being honest with you, a therapist, but maybe even harder. So how would you put it in perspective?
Speaker 1:I'm a business owner. Right. I come to you and say, Maya, I'm really stressing. I can't sleep at night. Right.
Speaker 1:You know, I need to go and find money somewhere, and I'm scared because I'm gonna get rejection. People are gonna say no.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:What would you say to me?
Speaker 2:I think that whoever you're asking money from, you have to really get to know that person and understand how they want to be seen and how they want to be experienced. I I this is a bit of manipulation, but you have to really understand who you're working with and how they want to be perceived. Once you figure out how a person wants to be perceived and you act on that and you give them that, I think they'll they'll be so much more open to giving you that money or to work with you. I think the relationship is so important. But it's not so much about you pitching something that that you're gonna give them or do or offer.
Speaker 2:It's more about how do you make that person feel. If you are able to make that person feel the way they want to feel, I I think So you're
Speaker 1:saying that
Speaker 2:Yeah. I've been I've been doing that for you since I walked in here. Haven't I?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm gonna call my real therapist right now and start complaining about you. I just just wanna tell you. I had to I I had to get the direct line to my own therapist That's so therapeutic. Just in case, you know, you're gonna start your shit with me.
Speaker 1:Okay? And you do a lot of business coaching, and you work with a lot of entrepreneurs. So you're saying that the perception
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Can become the reality
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Even though the reality is very different than what's going on. Yes. Because you're saying, hey. You know, if I need money, I can go talk to somebody about money, and it's nothing it has nothing to do with me about what I need. It's about how they're gonna feel about the situation.
Speaker 2:How they're gonna feel when they're around you, And if you see them in a way that they wanna be seen. And you can learn that pretty quickly when you speak to a person. Do they wanna be seen as powerful, intelligent, beautiful? Do they wanna be seen as a victim? Do they need pity?
Speaker 2:Do they need you to listen to them? Do they want you to take over? Do they want you to be dominant? Do they want you to be passive? These are all things that you can learn really quickly when you speak to a person if you actually pay attention.
Speaker 1:It's a different way of looking at it. We'll get back to
Speaker 2:that. Okay.
Speaker 1:Why do entrepreneurs struggle so much with slowing down? A lot of business owners feel like they stop moving for one second, everything falls apart. Where does that mindset usually come from?
Speaker 2:That's the momentum of anxiety. Right? So anxiety actually makes you feel like you have constantly be in motion. That's a very nervous system response. I know it has nothing to do with entrepreneurship, but this is a very, like, neuroscience basic psychology thing.
Speaker 2:When you're anxious, you're in a constant state of mobilization, which makes you feel like you have to constantly be in a in on the move. So because you're not slowing down, your nervous system every morning gives you this kind of illusion of like, gotta go. I gotta go. That's anxiety. That's
Speaker 1:really We didn't go over these you asked me what I'm gonna talk about. I said, you'll see. Yeah. And and this is very natural for you. Like, I'm asking you questions.
Speaker 1:This is the kind of stuff you deal with
Speaker 2:every Yeah. But it's been fifteen years of doing it.
Speaker 1:By the way, I'm gonna tell you, the way you're answering and the the speed of your knowledge, it's actually giving me anxiety. I'm getting along with
Speaker 2:like slow down my words?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Don't, like, don't you, like, have to, like, light a candle and then, like, do that kinda shook.
Speaker 2:I do that before I get here.
Speaker 1:Oh, you got okay. Alright. You had your little wanna do that. You had your little center ready? Oh, it took me
Speaker 2:forty five minutes to get here.
Speaker 1:I know. And you're and you're, like and that's really very anxious for me is why I had to buy like three sandwiches for my cameraman. But anyway, so I've seen business owners destroy companies from panic alone. Right? Panic or fear can really lead to bad decisions.
Speaker 1:Why why does stress completely change the way entrepreneurs think and make decisions?
Speaker 2:Because your brain basically has two modes. Right? It's kind of like the gas and the stop pedal on the car, like you can't press both. Right? So when you're in a constant state of panic, your logical mind is actually not working.
Speaker 2:So you cannot be anxious and stressed and have logic at the same time. The two don't work together. So if you're in a highly emotional state, panicked, worried, paranoid, whatever it is, the logical part of your brain is functioning at very minimal capacity. So that's why they burned down the company because it's coming from emotion. It's coming from it's not coming from logic.
Speaker 2:That's why, you know, you might freak out about something, and then a week later, you're like, I don't give a shit about that. Yeah. Because the panic kind of went away, the logic stepped in, you see the whole picture, oh, it's not that bad. But when you're in a highly emotional state you have no access to your logic.
Speaker 1:And what if the opposite happens? What do you mean? Like, don't give a shit about it, and a week later I say, holy shit. Why wasn't I giving a shit about it? That could be like reverse.
Speaker 2:If you're ignoring it, there's probably a reason why
Speaker 1:you're These are trick questions. Yeah. It's trying make sure like you really know what you're talking
Speaker 2:procrastinating about. On something, you're avoiding something, then there has to be some kind of underlying reason why you do there's nothing that we do that doesn't have some kind of a cue for behavior. There's there's no way.
Speaker 1:A lot of entrepreneurs confuse stress with productivity.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right? Mhmm. Why are so many high performers addicted to chaos?
Speaker 2:Because they don't know how to be still. Being still, which by the way I think is like the hottest commodity right now, like being able to be present, being able to just spend time doing nothing. Most people don't know how to do that. So they're not good at that. And so they're much better at this crazy chaos life that they created.
Speaker 2:So why would they do something that they're not good at? Like, being still is the hardest thing that you can do. It's taken me years to master that, and I still struggle to, like, sit down and actually meditate or be still. It's easier to check emails and go talk to someone or make some shit up to do than to actually be still. Stillness is the highest commodity, but most people can't access it.
Speaker 1:You know, we talk about mental health all the time. And usually when we talk about mental health, it has to do with life issues, marriage, kids, you know, life issues.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:But mental health for entrepreneurs and business professionals is also critical, right? So people say, you have to exercise. You know, exercise is important because kind of like balance, whatever, for all the right reasons. We don't have to go over that, right? But having a therapist sounds like it's also important, or at least being able to talk about what's going on with you.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Because you know, going to the gym and and boxing someone and beating the shit out of somebody will only take some of the negative energy away, but the underlying reason of, or thoughts, or what's going on in your mind, that's not disappearing. So you think that it's good to have someone to talk to.
Speaker 2:I think more people are starting to go to therapy, but it's also about the type of therapy that you engage in. So there's so many different formats of therapy that a lot of people don't know about. Like for example, I'm certified in EMDR. It's a totally different format of therapy of just talk therapy. A lot of entrepreneurs don't like talk therapy.
Speaker 2:They don't really see a point of it. And in fact, I don't either. I think entrepreneurs need to engage in therapy that's very, like, solution focused, where the therapist is very engaged and is coaching you a lot of the times. And that's, like, what I do. So I think entrepreneurs, because they're smart, they're successful, for them to really cut out an hour each week to see their therapist, the therapist has to be excellent.
Speaker 2:The therapist has to give them results because they're used to getting results. So a lot of times, maybe that falls off because some therapists are a little crusty and a little bit, like, not great. They're very passive. And, like, how many times are they going ask you, how do you feel about that? How do you feel about that until you cancel that session, get billed, and then you're like, fuck that.
Speaker 2:So I think entrepreneurs have to be very careful about the type of therapist that they choose and the type of therapy they engage in.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about nervous system regulation. What actually happens biologically when someone lives under financial pressure for years? And a lot of entrepreneurs do. Mhmm. Right?
Speaker 1:Probably the financial pressure is the the toughest part of all of this. Right? Mhmm. So tell me what happens about system, you know, nervous system regulation. So there's Do you understand all these technical terms
Speaker 2:Do you hear?
Speaker 1:Sitting here? I'm trying to figure it out. Like, don't know.
Speaker 2:They're my terms.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that. Let me call my therapist. Hello?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's basically three stages, very simple. You're either just feeling okay, willing, open, engaged, totally chill. Your body's good. The second stage is when you're anxious, and the third stage is shut down.
Speaker 2:So there's only really three stages in your nervous system. Most people are in level two. Right? Like, constantly strategizing, confronting, avoiding. There's a lot of strategy in, like, a level two nervous system.
Speaker 2:Remember, level one is, like, very willing, engaged, chill, like, going with the flow. Two is, again, more a lot more structure, a lot more anxiety, a lot more paranoia, confrontation. So already your your nervous system is already in that anxious state. So three is shutdown. That's actually depression.
Speaker 2:So people don't just get to depression. They first go into anxiety, and then they drain their adrenals. They experience a ton of stress, and then they shut down. And so people titrate through those
Speaker 1:told me when I saw him earlier, are you depressed? Do I No.
Speaker 2:Said are you anxious because of the way you're moving. Right? So I can tell by your body language or the way you're moving that you're not in that level one where it's like flowing and slow. You're you're you're moving fast, which I get it. You have to.
Speaker 2:You're working. There's a lot going on. But I still think you can master your mind where you could be in a high stress environment and still feel relaxed. So I think that's possible. But those are the three levels, and I think that that's what happens to the nervous system when you're under stress.
Speaker 2:So you'll be in level two for a while. And if you don't take care of yourself, you drop into level three, which is shut down because your body basically knocks you out. It tells you, like, you've had too much stress. We're we're sending in dissociative features. We're sending in depression.
Speaker 2:They it basically you just crash out.
Speaker 1:When is therapy too much? Some people say, oh, you come see me for eight sessions, and then you wind up seeing a therapist for seventeen years.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I have clients who I've had for fifteen years.
Speaker 1:And so
Speaker 2:And there are Isn't that like
Speaker 1:a little bit of a dependence then?
Speaker 2:I don't really look at therapy that way. You know, I look at therapy like going to the gym. I look at therapy like getting a haircut. It's just something that sets you back and kinda not sets you back in a bad way, like it helps you to get grounded again. And that lasts you that week.
Speaker 1:But that's every week. Like, I mean
Speaker 2:Yeah. Some people need that, especially entrepreneurs. Like the ones that I work with, like they're under so much pressure and stress. They need that session for me to be like, you need to stop. Like, calm the fuck down.
Speaker 2:This weekend, this is what you're doing. You're not gonna go do that thing. You're gonna you're gonna go to yoga. You're gonna breathe. We're gonna like work on that thing.
Speaker 1:That's all they need is
Speaker 2:And so you
Speaker 1:That's all I need is a therapist. You Tell me to go to yoga.
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, I'm not gonna go into the details of what we talked Of
Speaker 1:course not. But I'm just talking,
Speaker 2:you know. Sometimes you do need that. You Yeah. We sometimes need those basics.
Speaker 1:What happens when, you know, you have these patients for a long time
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And every week they come and they whine about the same shit? Like, what do you do? Like
Speaker 2:I tell them you're whining about the same shit. You're not creating that change that you want. You're whining about the same shit.
Speaker 1:Like, you just tell them, like, stop whining or I'm kicking you out as a as a client? You ever kick clients out?
Speaker 2:I have. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fired them?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:Like, said get out? Yeah. I'm done with you?
Speaker 2:Only the ones that try to control me. I told you I don't like when people try to control me. The ones that tell me like, can you lower the light? Can you do this? Why didn't you say that?
Speaker 2:And I'm like, listen, who who's in charge here? Like, we're we're not gonna play this game. Those are the borderlines, though.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Those are like very
Speaker 1:very dominant therapist you are there. Okay? Like, very not very accommodating
Speaker 2:people like that, especially entrepreneurs. They don't want they don't wanna go to a therapist at first.
Speaker 1:Trying to be Wendy from billions or something? Or, you Wendy from billions?
Speaker 2:Yes. But maybe
Speaker 1:You have sure people have trying to be But people told you already many times you're trying to be Wendy. Like, you're Wendy from billions. Right?
Speaker 2:Maybe not.
Speaker 1:Have you heard that phrase
Speaker 2:before? You're my Wendy?
Speaker 1:You're my Wendy. Yes. You know one thing I've noticed from thousands of businesses is that numbers often reflect the emotional state of the owner, of the business. Do you think financial behavior reveals emotional patterns?
Speaker 2:I think it's a lot more complicated than that because I believe in energy. Right? Like I do believe that if you believe in yourself and your business and your ability to create a product and create a service that intentionally is great, then, yeah, you're you're gonna be successful. As long as you apply yourself to it, believe in it, show up every day, it's it's gonna work. I believe that.
Speaker 1:Do you think entrepreneurs secretly tie their self worth
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:To revenue Uh-huh. And to business success?
Speaker 2:Yes. That's their whole identity, and that's the problem most times. That's why they don't wanna stop. That's why they don't want to rest. That's why they don't want to
Speaker 1:Even if they're super successful?
Speaker 2:Yeah. They they can't give it up because there's nothing left once it's done.
Speaker 1:And what happens if the business slows down and they're in trouble? They freak out.
Speaker 2:Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because there's no identity. They haven't they haven't worked on their relationships.
Speaker 2:A lot of these people that come in that are making all this money and their whole thing is, well, I wanna leave it for my kids or I wanna, you know, build an empire. Your kids don't like you. You haven't been there. You're you're you have no relationships. So your relationship is that business, so of course you don't wanna leave it.
Speaker 2:That's your baby.
Speaker 1:You know, as a lifelong entrepreneur myself, I think you're right. It's like part of our identity. Mhmm. It's part of what we do, and it's how we define ourselves, and it's how we probably value ourselves.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Right? You know? Whatever metal we put on or whatever, it's all it's all in here, you know, because the outside world, you know, looks different. So what's the difference between healthy ambition and emotional survival then?
Speaker 2:Again, I think it tracks back to what you're saying. Like, if your whole identity is based on your performance and how you perform, how much you're worth, how much business you bring in, then, then you're gonna have a really hard time surviving and or rather feeling relaxed and at ease and pursuing excellence and living a great life and having a quality of life. It's just all gonna be tied to how you're performing. So it's like, okay, so you're just performing your whole life for what?
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this. So, you know, if I have a drug addiction, I'm gonna look for a drug addiction therapist who's gonna help me with that, right? If I have, you know, problem in my marriage, I'm gonna well marriage counselor. There's a lot of quacks in therapists also. A lot of therapists, oh yeah, can help anybody, they're just looking for a check.
Speaker 1:How does a business entrepreneur find a right business therapist to I mean, course, it's all feelings and I get it, it's on side, but if I wanted to go out and find a therapist that's gonna help me excel in business, make better decisions, break down
Speaker 2:Still thinking in business terms. The the reality is you don't need a therapist that is business oriented. You need a therapist that's gonna help you discover, and go into your past, and understand your
Speaker 1:my therapist for my sock addiction isn't gonna help me run my business.
Speaker 2:Well, you're going to run your business better when you reprocess all your stress or your trauma, and any negative thoughts that you have about yourself, who you are, how the world works, that's kind of driving you into that.
Speaker 1:How does one choose the right therapist and realize that this is a good therapist for me, this is a good fit for
Speaker 2:That's that is really hard to find. I myself cannot find a great therapist. Okay?
Speaker 1:Talk to my
Speaker 2:Yeah. She's probably not good. Most therapists are is she. You know, the problem is your therapist needs to be as smart as you.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 2:I know that's a little controversial, but I do think that if I'm running circles around my therapist, what what am I paying for? That's just silly. Right? And most times that's what happens. For example, when I go to therapy, you would do the same thing.
Speaker 2:Right?
Speaker 1:I would try to run circles around the therapist.
Speaker 2:Your nature. Right? Like your nature is to dominate and to take control of a situation, but your therapist needs to stop you from doing that first and foremost and get to the vulnerable part of you, which is like who's gonna who's gonna get to that part? They're gonna have to be pretty smart. They're gonna have to know when to ask you the right questions and to, you know, say, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:What did you say about that? That's that's not how that works. Like, let let's go back to that. And you'll say, no. I don't wanna do that.
Speaker 2:And they're gonna say, okay. So the therapist has to be pretty dominant. They have to be smart. They have to understand your little games that you're playing with yourself. And they have to do a lot of confronting and like sticking your nose into shit that you don't want So to
Speaker 1:look, you work with a lot of business owners that are used to being in control, right? Right. This is what we're talking about. Right. How do you help someone who's built their identity around never showing vulnerability?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's why EMDR is really cool. Because once I figure out what you're doing here and now that's not working, we go back into your childhood. And childhood, right away, that that's your vulnerability. Like that inner child, your mom, your dad, the way you were raised, the world you lived in.
Speaker 2:Once I start opening that up, your vulnerability is like spilling out. Like there's there's no way that you can be this strong business owner when I'm talking to you about what happened to you when you were five.
Speaker 1:Like, do we during EMDR, like, do we sit like this and stuff? No. We don't normal?
Speaker 2:So, no. I have a I have a machine, and you move your eyes left and right. Mhmm. And that creates bilateral stimulation. Big thing today, EMDR.
Speaker 2:Right?
Speaker 1:That's huge. See a lot of
Speaker 2:great for entrepreneurs, because it's very, like, strategy based. It's not woo woo. It's not, you know, it's not too, like, weak. You know, it's it's pretty strategic. So I do think entrepreneurs like it for that.
Speaker 1:Got it. Got it. Do you think these what what happens in childhood is just because of an environment, and can it be fixed by by therapy today?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's exactly what I specialize in. So everything every part of you that you think is your personality, your patterns, your behaviors, the way you think, all of that was formulated in your childhood. Right? So you you have all these beliefs about you you, yourself, and the world, but that's actually coming from your childhood.
Speaker 2:Now, if you had a great childhood, yeah, that's that's awesome. But most people, you know, receive negative messages or, they learned that the world was unfair or they struggled with something. And what EMDR does is it helps you to reprocess your path so that you can reset and actually have a complete clear path.
Speaker 1:So Like start from scratch?
Speaker 2:Yeah. You're starting from scratch. So most of my people that have done a lot of the work, they're they're like crying because they're like, this is the first time I've actually felt like myself. Because you're carrying this whole train of stressful events and traumas through your whole life, that's what's creating
Speaker 1:everybody had something in their
Speaker 2:everybody there's no way that you did not have things that are now negatively influencing the way you either feel about yourself, the way you feel about love, the way you show up in relationships, the way you show up in business. It's all connected actually to your childhood and the relationships you have with your mother and your father.
Speaker 1:Do you wanna know what happened to me when I was nine? I don't mind sharing this
Speaker 2:I mean, sure. I could.
Speaker 1:I ran my first $100,000,000,000 company nine years old. That makes It was all in my mind. I had it all set up. I had it operating.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I I mean, it was all structured and everything.
Speaker 2:So why do you think at nine years old you were already trying to create this empire for yourself? Why was that so important for you?
Speaker 1:I don't know why, but at nine years old, we had in school, we created like little companies for different classes. Right? And all of the kids, like, if it was my class, we we picked something that we would sell to the other students, and that's how I learned about what a company is, what shareholders are, and we would sign on. I forget. I think we were selling pencils, somebody else was selling cupcakes, whatever.
Speaker 1:Every class had their own
Speaker 2:like little Little business.
Speaker 1:Little business, and you had shareholders, and we learned about, you know, the growth of it, and board meetings, and all that other stuff, and I guess I I ran with it in my mind, you know, and it was actually I called it Tehera. I don't know why, t e h e r a. That that was the name I gave, but I have no idea why. I just remembered something. This therapy is working already.
Speaker 1:Maybe I you know, the problem is I'm thinking about a billion dollar company, I need to think about a trillion dollar company, and that's what's maybe holding me back. I mean, I'm sure this is through science and experience and training, and certainly through results you've seen at work that there is stuff that we all have that
Speaker 2:That's influencing the way we show up in today. And you probably won't know what it is until you do the work and figure that out. And then once you do, then you're able to reprocess it. Basically, just let it go, And then you're you're like, you have a reset. And you're able to make logical decisions that are not emotional going back to our earlier conversation.
Speaker 2:You don't have the emotional piece anymore. Like, nothing touches you. You're just total logic. You don't have all these, like, emotional, like, fear, the panic. It's like, oh, am I gonna lose everything?
Speaker 2:All that stuff. You don't have that anymore. You're totally free. You're operating totally neutral.
Speaker 1:Am I free? No. Or am I a nut job?
Speaker 2:No. You are not free.
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Speaker 1:So entrepreneurs are constantly responsible for employees, payroll, customers, families, expectations, and and pressure. Mhmm. Why do so many business owners isolate themselves emotionally?
Speaker 2:I think there's just no really, there's no opportunity for you to access emotions in a way where you're, like, connected to yourself. I think it's easier to just constantly be in that mobilization, that anxiety, right, that state, it is almost, like, required when you're delegating and there's so many moving parts. You would have to be so intentional to, again, sit down with a therapist and dig into your actual feelings and to pause life and to sit and think, like, how am I doing? Where am I going? How am I feeling?
Speaker 2:I think that's really that has to be very intentional for an entrepreneur to to access those emotions. That's what therapy is for actually.
Speaker 1:What are some warning signs that an entrepreneur is approach approaching, you know, like a burnout stage or a full crash? Like as an entrepreneur, if there's one thing that anybody can pick up from listening to us right now, what signs can we give them saying, hey, you're at this point, you need to go, you know, see a Maya or find someone that can
Speaker 2:help I think if you're relying on substances, I think that's huge in that world. Right? Like, if you need substances to keep you, you know, awake and then to go sleep and then to do this and that, like, you're relying on a lot of things to to function. I think if you're neglecting yourself, like, you're not, you know, taking care of your body, you're not exercising, you're not eating healthy.
Speaker 1:Like, I need to shower more kind
Speaker 2:Like, you're not putting on deodorant. Yeah. You're ignoring your family. Your your soul is like knocking. Like, you feel it.
Speaker 2:Like, there the warnings are there. You know that there's a voice inside of you saying like, I need to slow the fuck down and you're not doing it. So that that's those are all your warning signs. Your body will show you too, you'll be sick. You'll get sick.
Speaker 1:I think also a lot of entrepreneurs feel the pressure, and they can't admit to themselves that hey, I'm burnt out, and you know, what happens if I take my gas off the pedal, the car just won't go anywhere. And I always say that you have to find a balance. And so now I guess I'm gonna have to say there's three balances. You know, you need to have life outside of the office. You need to exercise, which is part of it.
Speaker 1:You need to, you know, burn some steam and energy. You need to have a hobby that's completely and working out is not a hobby, by the way. That's something you have Working to
Speaker 2:out, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right? But you need to have a hobby, something completely whether, you know, for me it's vinyl records or cooking, you know, I like to cook, right? So it's it's having a hobby of doing something that you know you enjoy that takes you completely out of what what's going on at work. And then you know we're learning more and more now that there's your brain, that needs attention too. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That needs attention, that needs work, and that will make everything, you know, whole. You know I, you know my wife very well, so I'm having this conversation with my wife and and you know, I'm saying, look, know, your mind is really the last to figure out what's going on. Mhmm. And I and I teach you know a lot of people, my underwriters and people that work with business owners here, it really starts from inside. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Your best first tools is your gut and your heart. Right? Your gut you have a feeling in your gut that isn't right
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And so and my wife goes stupid, you know, listen, you know, follow your gut and listen to your heart. Right? And then the mind responds.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right? So, you know, the same thing is our mind is fighting
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:To keep us on pace because of what we we think we should be doing. Right. And, you know, it sounds like our mind needs a forty minute vacation every week to let it out and talk to someone. No, I believe in therapy. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And I think it's amazing. I think you have to be open enough Yeah. To talk to someone, to to share what's bothering you, or to help improve. You know, like if you go to the gym and you need a trainer to build more muscle Mhmm. You need, you know, a trainer to help calm your emotions, keep you focused, and get rid of the roadblocks.
Speaker 1:So I think it all makes sense. So a lot of founders think that asking for help makes them weak. Mhmm. Right? Why is vulnerability so difficult for high performers?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think vulnerability is associated with weakness. Right? And I I think when you're a high performer, weakness is not part of that equation. That's actually quite the opposite when you're able to access your vulnerability.
Speaker 2:I think you become invincible. Right? Like, the confidence is through the roof because you're like, yeah. That's who I am, and this is how I you don't have to mask anymore. You don't have to act like this tough guy.
Speaker 2:You can take those breaks. You can slow down. You can integrate your shadow self, like all the parts of you that you're, you know, that you're afraid of, that all the things that you're afraid of, you're you're bringing those up. That's So all vulnerabilities. So actually not accessing vulnerabilities was gonna be the downfall.
Speaker 2:It's when you integrate all that stuff, then it's like you looked under the bed. You know, you thought there was a monster under the bed, and then now you looked, and it's not so bad, and and you could kind of be at peace. Most people are avoid avoiding the vulnerability because they think it's like this big scary thing. What am I gonna find under there? You know, maybe I'm really fucked up, and then I'm gonna like lose control.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna unravel. But it's it's really not
Speaker 1:like unravel. No.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You don't unravel. You actually become stronger because you've integrated that part of you that you were like ultimately rejecting, and so you you become more
Speaker 1:I have to tell you, I know you for like fifteen, maybe seventeen years. Yeah. Your English got so much better. I just have to
Speaker 2:One ninety four to 12. I have to grow up here, you're so weird. You're acting like I like I just moved here.
Speaker 1:Alright, let's get specific. An entrepreneur calls you having a panic attack because their business is failing. What happens in that first session that's different from a traditional therapy? Or maybe it's not.
Speaker 2:They're having
Speaker 1:a I'm calling you and saying listen, I'm freaking out, I'm losing my business, I don't know what to do, you know, and I'm running to you because I'm losing my mind.
Speaker 2:I think I What
Speaker 1:would be different than
Speaker 2:It's really
Speaker 1:something coming to you saying, you know, I feel depressed.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, we're not we're not doing breath work. We're not, like, doing basic stuff. I don't do, like, the coping stuff. You're having an actual panic attack, there's really no work that can be done.
Speaker 2:You have to let it ride out. But the real
Speaker 1:I always say if you're having a panic attack, it will pass.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You gotta just ride it through. You know, there's not much that we can do there, until you calm down. But once you do calm down, I think a really big part of it is even if you are losing your business. Right?
Speaker 2:If you're already in that state. I think it's about connecting to your purpose. Like, what is your actual purpose? Maybe that business isn't the right business for you. Maybe it never was.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's a reason it's not successful for whatever case. I mean, you've you've had multiple businesses. Right? And you've
Speaker 1:I've had a lot of failures in
Speaker 2:my life. And you probably thought that's it. My life is over.
Speaker 1:No. Never thought that.
Speaker 2:Okay. Great. Most people do though. Right? You you've got this great resilience in you, but a lot of people think that's it.
Speaker 2:I'm never going to be able to make money again. I'm never gonna be able to get back up on my feet. I'm a total loser. But if you connect to a purpose that's bigger than that, like, what are you trying to do in your life? Like, life is not that long.
Speaker 2:You have to connect to a bigger purpose that that's above just business, money. It's it's what am I really trying to do here in this lifetime? And if you connect to that purpose, shit like that isn't as scary anymore because you're like seeing the bigger picture. Do you know what your purpose is?
Speaker 1:Me?
Speaker 2:Yeah. You. Oh shit. Call this there.
Speaker 1:You asked me what my purpose
Speaker 2:I've been good.
Speaker 1:Haven't I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna answer it like this. Listen. I I thought, you know, the older you get the less the more you realize how narrow your purpose really is.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:At least for me.
Speaker 2:You feel that way?
Speaker 1:I feel that way. I feel that you know, somebody asked me you know, how do you want to be remembered? I mean, I want to be remembered as a great parent that, and how are you gonna measure success? I'm gonna measure the success of my children, that's how I'm gonna measure my success.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Right? Because you know, I'm not here, you know, I'm not important big enough or smart enough to leave global impact. I'm not an Elon Musk, you know, that people are gonna remember three hundred years. I don't know how to build rockets. Right?
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I just know the narrow things that I know, and and I try to be as good as I can at the things that I know. But, you know, my purpose
Speaker 2:So that's it, that's your purpose.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's my purpose. I mean, my purpose is to get up every day and do the best I can and make the every And day somebody asked me the other day, said, know, what was your best day? I said, yesterday. Yeah. Every day is a best day.
Speaker 1:There's something great every day. The guy goes, okay, what was your worst day? I go, yesterday.
Speaker 2:Okay. So that's I
Speaker 1:have good and bad every day.
Speaker 2:When you connected to your purpose, which you just stated your purpose, you also then have to spend every day being aligned with that purpose. If your purpose, which is your purpose was to be connected with your children
Speaker 1:No. No. I'm just saying in general.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna business to
Speaker 1:No. My purpose is to continue to build my company, be successful. I care about my employees. It's really important. Everybody does really well.
Speaker 2:Why? Keep going. Why is that important to you?
Speaker 1:Because they count on me.
Speaker 2:Mean Why is that important to you?
Speaker 1:Because it in some way, it does identify me. It's it's also it's also the fruits of all the work I've put in. You know, the years, the energy, the stress, the hard work, it's, you know, we like to create, we like to build, you do too, everybody does, right? So I think it's it's just a combination. Listen, I don't think that there's a single purpose to us.
Speaker 1:You can have multiple purposes. You can't just have a single purpose in life.
Speaker 2:I think if we were in session, I would keep pushing you until you get to a really clear purpose.
Speaker 1:That's why we wouldn't be in session.
Speaker 2:And then.
Speaker 1:Because you're trying to bully me here right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Would. I'm gonna bully you to feel great and to have a great life and a meaningful life. And aligning with your purpose is the biggest
Speaker 1:I'm at a point in life where I accept that life that isn't always hunky piecey dory, and I'm okay with those days that's not, and you know, I make the best of it. But we're not in session.
Speaker 2:But that those are your philosophies, that's not a purpose. Just letting you know. We're not we're not in session, I get it. But that's how aggressive I am. Just a little taste.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're really good. I get it, you're good. Alright. So you're talking about treating the nervous system
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Instead of treating just systems. Mhmm. The symptoms. Right? Really?
Speaker 1:In a way, you're saying that, you know, you're talking all this shit, but you didn't get to the purpose. Right? Because Okay. Yeah. I don't wanna get to the purpose.
Speaker 1:Right? But no, I do. How does unresolved emotional stress eventually show up in someone's business life?
Speaker 2:I think this is where you're seeing people flip out when people are being not rational. I think it's like those conversations that you walk away from and you're like, what the fuck was that? That's when someone is not grounded, they're not aligned with their purpose, they're highly stressed, and that's where you get all the miscommunication, which is probably the, you know, the the biggest issue in any business or any relationship is like misunderstanding each other. I think you have to be very attuned to yourself and be able to attune to the other person to have like a good relationship, good business, and to be able to run a great business. So, yeah, it's it's that.
Speaker 2:It's like the stress and then the miscommunication piece.
Speaker 1:You know, many entrepreneurs look successful externally. Mhmm. Right? But internally feel constantly unsafe.
Speaker 2:They're babies.
Speaker 1:Why is that? Why?
Speaker 2:They're little babies.
Speaker 1:Entrepreneurs are big.
Speaker 2:Little babies.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Are you a baby? You're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:No. I don't
Speaker 1:So it's okay to like label us, but you're like what?
Speaker 2:Because Yeah. No. No. No. I've done the work.
Speaker 2:I've done You're
Speaker 1:a labeler.
Speaker 2:No. I've done a really a shit ton of work so that I don't have to be a baby. I don't have to regress to these weird teenage and baby parts of me where suddenly I'm like scared, or like I feel insecure, or like I'm not sure about this, or like do they like me, or all that stuff.
Speaker 1:So you don't have days that you're scared? Sure.
Speaker 2:Sure. But what What keeps
Speaker 1:you up at night about your business? Like are you worried about anything about your business? As a you're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:I have a very good relationship with God.
Speaker 1:It's a God question. A therapy question. It's a God question.
Speaker 2:That's a that's a
Speaker 1:An answer for everything. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:That's my job.
Speaker 1:Just to have an answer for everything.
Speaker 2:That's my job. Yeah. And it's quick Mhmm. And efficient.
Speaker 1:Only because we're friends I'm going to
Speaker 2:You're gonna be nice
Speaker 1:about it? I'm be really nice about it. Right? Because anybody else, say, yo, you're full of shit. I'm not, though.
Speaker 1:Okay? Because everybody has fear. Everybody's worried
Speaker 2:about stuff. Don't have fear.
Speaker 1:Okay. But I said, what keeps you you know, what do you worry about? You said don't worry. It's up to God. I
Speaker 2:yeah. I trust God. I
Speaker 1:Okay. We all I trust God too, but so it doesn't mean I'm not worried.
Speaker 2:Minute, I feel fear. I
Speaker 1:You turn to God?
Speaker 2:I turn to God. I turn to the universe. I turn to meditation. I turn to surrender. I turn to understand that it's part
Speaker 1:of my path. You have fear, you just like
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:And then like, shit goes.
Speaker 2:Like, was a little nervous coming here, but I spent my whole cab ride, forty five minutes of it meditating.
Speaker 1:First of all, your cab ride was maybe you were meditating for forty five minutes, but what should've took you twenty minutes to get here, it was like three hours. Okay? Perfect. So you must've been really nervous, but, you know, it it is what it is.
Speaker 2:God gave you the time.
Speaker 1:God gave you the time to heal, heal. Yes. Do you think entrepreneurs naturally attract emotionally intense people or does entrepreneurship create them over time?
Speaker 2:No. Think entrepreneurs attract all kinds of people and that all depends on you know what their connection is. Sometimes you probably have people that are very passive around you. In fact, I think more passive people than anything else because the the more dominant ones you're gonna compete with them. Right?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm surrounded by entrepreneurs. Yeah. I mean, have forward thinking people, individual people here who make decisions and they need to be, they can't follow a script.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I deal with business owners every day, and they're entrepreneurs. Yeah. Right? All kinds too. So I think I'm I'm in a universe
Speaker 2:Full of
Speaker 1:strong people. Strong, passionate people. It is awesome, and it's also so I have to find a way when I'm talking to someone about providing a lot of money for them Mhmm. To to be able to break the ice quickly Yeah. So that they don't have to, you know, do the entrepreneur bull on me, and I don't have to do the entrepreneur bull on them.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1:Just relax
Speaker 2:I love that intention.
Speaker 1:Like, what is your business about? And that's and that's just
Speaker 2:But that's that's the vulnerability.
Speaker 1:Know each other.
Speaker 2:But that's the vulnerability piece.
Speaker 1:Right? But open I am vulnerable. I let them know right away that, you know, they don't have to put on a show, and and and then they ease up, and that's why I have a very good quick Thank you. That's deep. We're able to really understand what's going on.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:And I I think you're really good at that. I think the way you are so direct with people allows them to be a little bit more vulnerable and to feel like you're seeing them and you're not just trying to like, you know, get things done. Not it's not as transactional. Right?
Speaker 1:How important is family balance for somebody that has a family or boyfriend girlfriend Mhmm. Balance to keep business balance? Because I see a lot of business failures
Speaker 2:Yeah, because of the family.
Speaker 1:What's going on at home Yep. Girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, how important? And at what point do you say, hey, you know what? I'm about to lose my business because my husband's driving me nuts every day.
Speaker 2:Or vice versa.
Speaker 1:Right? Or vice versa. Usually the wife, but you know, but anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Husbands are sweethearts.
Speaker 2:I the think balance is important in the sense that all this hard work that you do, if you really sit down in session, you're gonna tell me that you're doing it, again, that you're doing it for family. You're doing it for some sort of relationship.
Speaker 1:I think most of the time we are.
Speaker 2:That's what people say. It's like two things that people say. They want freedom. They want time. They want travel.
Speaker 2:They want experiences.
Speaker 1:Your life. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then they also want to to have a relationship with their children or their wife or whoever. Right? Like they for the relationship. Right?
Speaker 2:Because you you need someone to experience you when you when you even come home or whatever or tell you you're doing a great job. Yeah. Entrepreneurs make that mistake because they usually neglect their family. They usually are not present even on that vacation that they go to. That's actually why they're coming in for therapies because they actually cannot enjoy the hard work that they've put in.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's that
Speaker 1:much more. It's because you feel if you take your foot off the pedal, it's not gonna continue. What got you, you know, into this? Right? So what what pulled you into this type of work?
Speaker 1:And and, again, I know you like working with entrepreneurs because you have these powerful men that come in there, and and by the end of the session, you know, they're they're like little babies. You whip them into, like, reality. You whip them into reality. Yeah. Right?
Speaker 1:So you're a whipper. Anyway, so like what pulls you into that? What what drives you about working with people like that? I mean, I know you're attracted to successful people. You like to have those conversations.
Speaker 2:I've always been around like pretty powerful and successful people. I don't feel like threatened. I don't feel like there is inequality between me and some awesome, you know, successful man like you, for example. I don't feel intimidated by that. So I think that works well because I think most people would find you intimidating.
Speaker 1:No. I'm a sweetheart.
Speaker 2:No. You are a sweetie pie. But yeah, I think I've just always been around that. I grew up with a father who's like that, know. Every all the men around me are really really awesome and successful.
Speaker 2:So I've been really lucky to to to have that in my personal life too.
Speaker 1:I had dinner two nights ago with a billionaire. I didn't even know he was a billionaire. I met him last week somewhere, and we just started talking. He says, give me your number. I didn't didn't even remember his name.
Speaker 1:Texted me two days later, let's have dinner. Three days later, the next night I was having dinner and you know, gave me his full name and I, you know, did a little search on him. He's like, oh, okay. Not the first billionaire I had dinner with. And very successful man, older.
Speaker 1:Older. Older. And you know, I sat there and like first of I was like, what does he want to have dinner with me for, right? But we had dinner, and I I sat and observed, he told me his life story. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And it was something still very interesting about it. Certainly, we were in a very upscale restaurant in Miami where some of the most elite people in Miami go to, and I will tell you that so many people came up to this guy and like bowed bowed to
Speaker 2:him. Sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know why people bow to somebody just because they're a billionaire. I'm like looking at this. Some people came up, and there's a moral to this because this is wild. Mhmm. Right?
Speaker 1:And you know, people would come up and like, you know, like, and if you look at me, I don't even know who this is, who the fuck is this? But whatever, he was very nice and cordial to someone. And then, you know, certainly a lot less people came up to me to shake my hand, But one of my friends came up and he said, hey, I'm so and so. And I noticed that this billionaire would constantly tell everyone his first and last name if he didn't know somebody.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So he wouldn't just say, I'm Alex. I'm Alex Shvarts.
Speaker 2:Right. And I'm like There's that identity.
Speaker 1:What? Why? Why? Like, I mean, I don't meet people and say, I'm Alex Shvarts. No.
Speaker 1:I'm Alex. Right. I was trying to understand good man, by the way, extremely brilliant, built monster companies, very successful, and has built and sold companies in completely different industries and stuff like that. I was like, I was thinking, I learned something. Actually, I mean I have my own understanding why he does that.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Because yeah, he might watch this podcast and take this the wrong way, but I felt that he wants people to know who he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people want to be known.
Speaker 1:He wants people to know
Speaker 2:who Not just him.
Speaker 1:People want to
Speaker 2:be seen.
Speaker 1:Be seen, yeah.
Speaker 2:How about that? It's not even He
Speaker 1:was with me. But But I'm just saying
Speaker 2:like goes that question about what how do you create a good deal. It's like make a person feel seen. Yeah. That's really that's like human psychology right there. When you're seen, especially for what you want to be seen as, that's so important.
Speaker 2:That that's
Speaker 1:so Yeah. Wanted to be seen, and it was it was like I was like, you know, because people came up to me that, you know, didn't know him. Yeah. And by the way, when people came up to him and they looked at me and shook my hand, I'm like, good evening. I didn't even give my name like, I mean, I I just try not to meet people unless I wanna meet people.
Speaker 2:So maybe you wanna be seen as being humble, you see?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I am humble. Like, I don't need friends. I don't need anymore So
Speaker 2:there's psychology. How do I want to be experienced and seen?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Mean And
Speaker 2:the people that get it, you'll like them, and the people that don't, you won't like them. You'll you'll make up stories about why you don't like them, but it's because they're just not seeing you in the light that you wanna be seen. That's all.
Speaker 1:You know, your therapy session with me is like fifteen minutes over time. Just We a
Speaker 2:ability for you.
Speaker 1:So you've built a boutique practice around mental health, nervous system work, and high performance clients. What have you personally learned about balancing business success as well as emotional well-being? You. Mhmm. Not your clients.
Speaker 2:I think you have to take risks. I think you have to do things that feel scary, that you feel like you're not capable of or people won't like it. I think you have to kind of go balls to the wall. Gotta do
Speaker 1:Balls to the wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You gotta be brave. You gotta be like really brave. Because what's the difference between you and the person that already did it? There's no difference.
Speaker 2:They're just they took the risk and you didn't. So you have to really do big things. Things that you think are bigger than you. They're they're not. You could do it.
Speaker 2:It's basically you just gotta you gotta plow through.
Speaker 1:You know, you and I can probably sit and talk for hours. I mean, for sure we do that a lot. We usually have this verbal game of chess.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right? We all usually do this. And I mean, usually give up pretty quickly because I don't know. I just don't wanna win.
Speaker 2:Because I'm winning.
Speaker 1:But no, you're not winning. You're not. But we do have this and sometimes it's a lot of fun and it's good. So I wanna ask you this, just a few more minutes. For entrepreneurs listening right now who feel exhausted, overwhelmed, emotionally drained, or stuck in survival mode, what's the first thing they should understand about themselves before trying to fix the business?
Speaker 2:That they could do all of that and not be stressed. They could do all the same things. You don't have to give things up. You don't have to change your schedule. You don't have to change much.
Speaker 2:It's your mindset. You could change your mindset and suddenly you're you're not stressed out. And suddenly the things that feel annoying and frustrating, it's it's not a big deal. So it's it's you can change your mindset.
Speaker 1:Not that I advise this, but if somebody wanted to reach out to you
Speaker 2:Oh, take his time.
Speaker 1:And talk to you and, you know
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you could follow me on MyYA Wellness, m a y y a wellness. MyYA with two y's. It's
Speaker 1:Two a's. Two y's.
Speaker 2:Two y's. Yeah.
Speaker 1:My m a y
Speaker 2:Y y a.
Speaker 1:Y y a Wellness. Wellness on Instagram?
Speaker 2:On Instagram, on TikTok. My website is mywellness.com. So you can just find me. I have the same handle pretty much anywhere and everywhere. My wellness.
Speaker 1:Maya. Yeah. First, I I appreciate you as a
Speaker 2:appreciate you.
Speaker 1:And then I appreciate this conversation. I think a lot of entrepreneurs spend years trying to fix numbers, strategies, marketing, or operations without realizing the real issue. And honestly, after seeing, you know, so many businesses through FunKite, I can say with confidence that, you know, pressure changes people. It really does. And, you know, the entrepreneurs that, you know, survive long term usually aren't the smartest in the room.
Speaker 1:They're the people who learn how to regulate themselves under pressure. Thank you for joining me
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:On Unbankable, and thank you for for tuning in. Click subscribe, unsubscribe, drop a few comments, let me know what you thought about this. But before I go, you know who my favorite therapist was? Who? Doctor Ruth Westheimer.
Speaker 1:Did you know who she was?
Speaker 2:No. I was with You really did On the radio?
Speaker 1:That she was on TV? You don't know
Speaker 2:who Doctor. Ruth was? No. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:We're gonna have to finish this podcast with a little clip from Doctor. Ruth.
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